40 Year Video

What We Do

Real estate is a highly complex luxury good. If it’s not branded and packaged effectively, millions might be left on the table. Doing it right isn’t achieved with compelling words and inspired imagery alone. It takes understanding. The depth of understanding we’ve amassed over the last 40+ years as a trusted marketing consultancy that knows how to successfully partner with all project stakeholders.

Your real estate marketing partner should be able to check off the following boxes. If they can’t, you owe it to yourself—and your project—to engage InterCom® to drive maximum value for your investment.

InterCom® is a full-service brand consulting company with 30 years of experience in the leisure and lifestyle industries, specializing in real estate, resort, recreation and retail on a global basis. Since 1984, our Imaging Places® branding expertise has been instrumental in putting some of the world’s most desirable destinations on the map for discriminating buyers.

Tap on each of the categories below to learn more about how we are unique among marketing partners in making this possible.

  • WE KNOW
    THE DEVELOPMENT
    PROCESS

    WE KNOW
    THE DEVELOPMENT
    PROCESS

    Successful branding should begin early on and coincide with the development process, which—as you know—is a complicated interplay of landowners, development partners, planners, architects and municipalities. Our insight of the issues, obstacles and opportunities helps us create enduring real estate brands.

  • WE UNDERSTAND
    BUYERS, ATTITUDES
    & CULTURES

    WE UNDERSTAND
    BUYERS, ATTITUDES
    & CULTURES

    The best way to know the high-end market is to be the market. We routinely travel the globe (for both business and pleasure) to immerse ourselves in cultures and experiences, to grasp the ever-changing DNA of the marketplace, and to fully understand the motives of today’s ultra-high-net-worth buyers.

  • WE CREATE
    THE BIG IDEA

    WE CREATE
    THE BIG IDEA

    Every real estate project has that one unique thing that makes it great. The key is identifying it, and then making it the centerpiece of an engaging, differentiating brand story that resonates with prospective buyers. We do this on a regular basis for some of the world’s leading real estate investors.

  • WE DELIVER
    SALES SUCCESS

    WE DELIVER
    SALES SUCCESS

    What’s the true measure of a great real estate marketing partner? Look at the firm’s clients. Are their projects selling? InterCom® has moved the sales needle significantly. Since 1984, we’ve helped our clients sell $10 billion in real estate assets worldwide.

  • Strategic Planning & Brand Development

    Site Audits
    Consumer Research
    Target Market Identification
    Marketing Communications Plans
    Digital Engagement Strategy
    Consulting Services

    Relationship Marketing

    Database Development & Management
    Information Fulfillment & Remarketing Materials
    Print/Electronic Newsletters
    Web/Interactive Materials
    Proprietary CRM Software & Services

    Social Media / PR

    Partner with firms providing these services

  • Market Positioning & Imaging

    Positioning Statements/Brand Statements
    Naming/Theming
    Vision Books
    Websites
    Lifestyle & Landscape Photography
    Online/Offline Video

    Project Merchandising

    On-site/Off-site Project Signage
    Information Center Design
    Printed/Fabricated/Interactive Information Center Displays
    Promotional Items
    Magazines & Resort Materials

    SEO / SEM / Analytics

    Integrate with best-in-class partners

  • Awareness & Lead Generation

    Print/Broadcast/Out-of-Home Advertising
    Print/Electronic Direct Mail
    Online Communications/Social Networking
    Media Planning & Buying

    Graphics & Brand Management

    Graphic Standards Guidelines
    Corporate Identity Manuals
    Branding Manuals
    Builder Co-op Marketing Programs

    Application Development

    Mobile App Development
    Web-based Applets

GLOBAL
EXPERIENCE
We know our way around the planet. In addition to Mainland USA and Hawaii projects, our client list extends to Italy, Morocco, Russia, Dubai, Korea, Mexico, Central America, the Caribbean, Indonesia and Brazil.
40 YEARS
OF IMAGING PLACES
Re-inventing islands. Envisioning new trends in urban. Uncovering the next great place via an innovative mobile app. It’s just another day at InterCom®.

The Work

Our creative is an expression of our passion for bringing stories to life. Each branding program blends poignant words and powerful images into unique communications that satisfy, enrich
and even transform people’s lives.

  • 3 Creek Ranch
    Jackson Hole, Wyoming
  • Azzurra
    Marina del Rey, California
  • Beach Bunny Swimwear
    Irvine, California
  • BrightView
    Calabasas, California
  • Candelas
    Arvada, Colorado
  • Castiglion del Bosco
    Montalcino, Italy
  • Elevon
    El Segundo, California
  • Four Seasons Private Residences
    Los Angeles, California
  • Four Seasons Resort Costa Rica at Peninsula Papagayo
    Costa Rica
  • Four Seasons Resort Hualalai
    Kohala Coast, Hawaii
  • Hoakalei Resort
    Oahu, Hawaii
  • Island of Lanai
    Hawaii
  • Kohanaiki
    Big Island, Hawaii
  • Montage Deer Valley
    Park City, Utah
  • Panama Pacifico
    Panama City, Panama
  • Potomac Shores
    Potomac Shores, Virginia
  • Runway
    Playa Vista, California
  • St. Petersburg Club
    St. Petersburg, Russia
  • St. Regis Monarch Beach
    Dana Point, California
  • Tejon Ranch
    Lebec, California
  • The District At Tustin Legacy
    Tustin, California
  • The Island Hotel
    Newport Beach, California
  • The Reserve at Oak Valley
    Gangwon, South Korea
  • Vail Resorts
    Vail, Colorado

Clients

Since 1984, InterCom® has gone from a boutique real estate consulting firm with a local client base to a global branding and positioning authority. Our select client list, past and present, reads like a who’s-who of top real estate investors, developers and projects across the globe. View our client list (pdf).

People

Partner with us and you get the specialized skills of staff members and consultants in the planning, media, creative, relationship marketing, consumer psychographics, interactive and design production services...

Toni Alexander
President & Creative Director

Whether Toni’s immersed in the cultural treasures of Korea, exploring the new mindset of wealthy Russians or repositioning communities right here in California, she is a branding mastermind whose insight is matched only by her energy.

A former ULI Trustee and one of the first woman governors of the 32,000-member Urban Land Institute organization, Toni has been a member of the ULI International Awards of Excellence jury, Chairman of the Community Development Council and has successfully initiated and chaired the Silver and Red flights of ULI’s Recreation Council. She is a member of the ULI Foundation Board of Directors, a contributing source for articles in ULI’s Urban Land magazine and a speaker on many ULI panels. Toni serves on a variety of committees within ULI, including the Policy and Practice Committee and the Program Committee.

Toni is a graduate of the University of California at Irvine and holds a Bachelor of Arts degree from the School of Fine Arts. She attended graduate school at the prestigious UCLA School of Theater, Film and Television. Toni is active in a variety of community and professional organizations and serves as a marketing advisor to the private golf clubs she belongs to in California and Hawaii.

Latest

The InterCom® team is always on the go (quite literally) in its globe-trotting pursuits of Imaging Places. We invite you to stay in the loop with all that’s happening, whether it’s a new account we just inked, a new award we just won, or a new brand campaign we just launched.
We’re the original storytellers.

It all started in 1994 when Toni Alexander gave a ULI conference speech entitled Turn Your Land Into a Brand. Her words sparked a change in how real estate got marketed, no longer as a commodity but as unique destinations deserving unique stories. You can read all about it in our 35 Years of Imaging Places®. Have a story that needs telling? Engage the firm that started it all.

Contact Toni Alexander at (949) 697-2126 or at [email protected]

Authenticity:
The elusive touch that marks great places

Great developers and designers respect the history and natural features of a setting, while building places that people love. Reflect on the 15 principles of authenticity in real estate as conceived in this article by InterCom President and Creative Director Toni Alexander, published in the Spring 2019 edition of the journal of the Urban Land Institute. The firm has worked according to these principles for the last 35 years.

Contact Toni Alexander at [email protected]

READ THE ARTICLE

Best master-planned community for 2018

When InterCom partnered with the developers of the 2,000-acre Riverstone, the vision was to transform a swath of Madera County agricultural land into California’s next great place. 2018’s Best Master-Planned Community of the Year award from the NAHB recognizes that success. And sales running at 30 homes per month doesn’t hurt either.

Contact Toni Alexander at [email protected]

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$15 billion
in real estate sold.

Creative awards are great, but the true measure of our work is how it moves the needle. From luxury resorts and urban high-rises, to master-planned communities and retail centers, we’ve helped our clients sell $15 billion in real estate assets. Want a multi-billion-dollar marketing partner?

Contact Toni Alexander at [email protected]

Content Marketing:
We’ve always done it.

It’s been part of Intercom’s DNA since the start – we’ve always been story tellers, and creating compelling content that resonates with potential visitors and buyers is an essential part of that mission. Need a story created?

Contact Toni Alexander at [email protected]

Imaging Places.
We wrote the book.

Our work is a story in and of itself, which is why we published 30 Years of Imaging Places®. The retrospective illustrates our artful merging of imagery and prose into brand narratives that resonate. Need to put a destination on the map?

Contact Toni Alexander at [email protected]

The Making of
P.S. Wish You Were Here.
It takes a team to produce our work, and our client films are no exception. This video offers a behind-the-scenes (and behind-the-camera) glimpse at the logistics and creative focus it takes to make a photo and video shoot a success.
 
 
 
  • InterCom® Writes The Book on Real Estate Branding

    January 17, 2024

    In celebration of InterCom’s four decades in global real estate branding, the agency has just published 40 Years of Imaging Places® , a hardbound retrospective whose 300+ pages showcase some of InterCom’s most enduring resort, hospitality and private club brand stories.

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  • InterCom Clients Tap the Power of Smart Media Buys

    May 18, 2023

    Added exposure from advertorials and other smart media buys are just one more way InterCom clients stand out in the market. Most recently, one of our clients, Edge-on-Hudson in Sleepy Hollow, New York, received prominent coverage in The Wall Street Journal’s Beyond NYC—which heralded the transit-oriented community as a “Waterfront Win.”

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  • InterCom® Wins Gold Award from The Nationals

    February 06, 2023

    InterCommunicationsInc® was honored with a prestigious Gold Award from The Nationals for Best 2023 Print Campaign on behalf of agency client Seven Pines, a new 1,000-acre+ master-planned community located in Jacksonville, Florida.

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  • Three Projects in Red-Hot Florida Tap InterCom®

    March 03, 2022

    InterCom® is no stranger to the Sunshine State, whose luxury real estate branding expertise was recently tapped by developers of a trio of high-profile projects. In the recent Wall Street Journal/Realtor.com Emerging Housing Markets Index, cities on Florida’s west coast earned the top rankings.

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  • InterCom® Strikes Silver Six Times at The Nationals℠

    December 15, 2020

    InterCommunications® earned six Silver Awards from the 2021 Nationals competition—including the coveted Multifamily Community of the Year—continuing their three-decade consecutive winning streak.

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  • Toni Alexander Selected for Prestigious ULI Jury

    April 27, 2020

    InterCom® President and Creative Director Toni Alexander has been chosen to serve on the jury for the 2020 ULI Urban Open Space Award. Now in its tenth year, the award recognizes transformative open spaces including parks, plazas, squares, memorials, trails and more.

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  • InterCom® Wins Three Silver Awards from The
    Nationals℠

    December 12, 2018

    InterCom® won Silvers for two of the firm’s real estate clients along with one for self-promotion, pushing their total finalists over the 100 mark—with 41 going on to win Gold. Silver winners become finalists for the coveted Gold Awards, to be announced at the Awards Gala on February 19, 2019.

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  • Big Numbers, Big Sales Posted for InterCom® Clients

    August 15, 2018

    Do you know the true measure of a real estate marketing partner? Just look at the sales success of its clients. It’s been off the charts of late for the clients of InterCom, a testament to the agency’s strategic know-how and creative capability.

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  • InterCom® Client Wins Best Master-Planned Community

    January 10, 2018

    Riverstone is recognized as 2018’s Best Master-Planned Community of The Year at The Nationals, an annual competition sponsored by the National Association of Homebuilders (NAHB).

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  • InterCom® Wins Multiple Silver Awards from The Nationals

    December 13, 2017

    InterCommunicationsInc® has been recognized with seven Silver Awards from The Nationals, an annual competition sponsored by the National Association of Homebuilders (NAHB).

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  • Robust Sales Continue for InterCom® Clients

    October 23, 2017

    The ultimate goal of every piece of communication from InterCom is to drive real estate sales, and that has certainly been the case recently for a number of the agency’s clients. Over the past 30 years, the agency has driven a staggering $10 billion in real estate sales.

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  • Riverstone Community Hits 125 Homes Sold

    August 28, 2017

    InterCom’s insightful brand positioning and initial advertising effort for Riverstone are quickly paying off for the Central Californiamaster-planned community, which is experiencing strong real estate sales.

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  • InterCom® Clients Posting Strong Sales Numbers

    February 15, 2017

    Although soul-stirring photography and provocative prose are hallmark elements of InterCommunications®’ creative work, the agency’s clients regularly receive another deliverable: robust real estate sales.

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  • InterCom® Returns to Peninsula Papagayo for a Brand Refresh

    February 07, 2017

    Peninsula Papagayo, Costa Rica’s 1,400-acre premier master-planned development, was recently purchased by an affiliate of Gencom, a leading U.S.-based international luxury hospitality and residential real estate investment and development firm.

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  • Museum Tower Returns to InterCom® to Move $25M Penthouse 

    February 06, 2017

    Global branding firm InterCommunications® has been re-engaged by the development team of Museum Tower, a luxury residential high-rise situated in the heart of the Dallas Arts District.

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  • InterCom® Wins Gold and Silver Awards at The Nationals℠ 2017

    January 19, 2017

    InterCommunications® was awarded one Gold Award and two Silver Awards at The Nationals℠—the prestigious National Sales and Marketing Awards sponsored by the National Association of Home Builders (NAHB).

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  • InterCom® Gains New Business in California and Mexico

    August 19, 2016

    InterCom® has recently added two new projects in two diverse locations—Delta Coves in Bethel Island, California, and Zyanya in Jalisco, Mexico—representing a cross-section of real estate scenarios.

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  • InterCom® President Toni Alexander Delivers UCI Commencement

    June 28, 2016

    Before a crowd of 5,000, InterCom® President and Creative Director Toni Alexander gave the Commencement Speaker at the 2016 UC Irvine graduation ceremony for the School of Education, the School of Physical Sciences and the Claire Trevor School of the Arts on June 11, 2016. Toni shared her ten-point prescription for being “a creative” and challenged the Class of 2016 to find ways to “seize creativity in the everyday.”

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  • Central Valley’s Riverstone Takes Gold in 2016 NAHB Awards

    February 17, 2016

    InterCommunications®’ client Riverstone, an up-and- coming master-planned community, was recognized with a Gold Award at the prestigious National Sales and Marketing Awards sponsored by the National Association of Home Builders (NAHB - The Nationals℠).

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  • InterCom® Wins Gold Award at The Nationals℠ 2016 for Candelas

    February 11, 2016

    InterCommunicationsInc® was awarded a Gold Award at the prestigious National Sales and Marketing Awards sponsored by the National Association of Home Builders (NAHB - The Nationals℠). InterCom®’s winning entry in Best Web Banners/Rich Media Advertising was created for Candelas, a new master-planned community near Denver, Colorado.

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  • InterCom® Retained to Rebrand Queen Mary and Punta Mita Resort

    January 15, 2016

    InterCommunicationsInc® has been engaged to re-imagine the resort community of Punta Mita located along the Riviera Nayarit, Mexico and has also been retained by Los Angeles developer Urban Commons LLC to conceive the brand and development vision for the new Queen Mary entertainment zone in Long Beach, California.

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  • Toni Alexander Shares Big Ideas in October 2015 Modern Luxury Issue

    November 13, 2015

    Newport Beach, CA – When Modern Luxury magazine wanted to learn more about the real estate brand visioning process, they came to Toni Alexander. In this brief story, Toni highlights the content marketing and storytelling strategy that InterCommunications® used in helping to shape the brand message for Neverland Ranch. 

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  • InterCom® Wins Two Gold Awards at The Nationals℠ 2015

    February 25, 2015

    Newport Beach, CA – InterCommunications® was awarded two Gold Awards at The Nationals—the prestigious National Sales and Marketing Awards sponsored by the National Association of Home Builders (NAHB). Winners were announced on January 20th at The Nationals Gala in Las Vegas. 

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  • InterCom® Brands Lobby Bar for Hilton Orlando Bonnet Creek

    February 25, 2015

    Newport Beach, CA – When Hilton Orlando Bonnet Creek decided to spend millions to revamp their lobby bar and create a distinctive atmosphere, they set out to find a creative partner to brand the new lounge experience in a way that would resonate with a diverse group of hotel guests, including families and meeting attendees.  

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  • InterCom® Thinks Outdoor for $100M elevon Commercial Project

    January 23, 2015

    Employing outdoor advertising for a commercial real estate project is a contrarian notion. But contrarian thinking and unexpected ideas are what InterCom’s all about. Read in this recent GlobeSt.com article how the agency is venturing into marketing’s never-before-seen for elevon, the highly anticipated creative office campus coming to El Segundo, California.

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  • Imaging Places®: InterCom® Wrote the Book

    InterCommunications® has spent the past 30 years traveling throughout 25 countries across five continents to tell meaningful brand stories that engage and endure. And that’s a story in and of itself, which is why the marketing firm is publishing a beautiful, hardbound retrospective commemorating its three decades of transforming land to brand.

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  • InterCom® Partners with PlumpJack to Rebrand Napa Valley Resort

    January 12, 2015

    InterCommunications® has been selected to rebrand the Napa Valley luxury resort: The Carneros Inn, a PlumpJack Resort. InterCom® will be working in collaboration with PlumpJack Resorts to refresh The Carneros Inn’s brand identity and redefine the hotel’s position as the cornerstone property of the region.

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  • InterCom® Chosen to Brand Two New SunCal Communities

    November 14, 2014

    Newport Beach, CA – InterCommunications® has been named the global branding and marketing partner for SunCal’s newest communities: Lighthouse Landing in Sleepy Hollow, New York, and North Shore at Mandalay Bay in Oxnard, California.

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  • InterCom® to Brand of 2,000-Acre Master-Planned Community

    October 30, 2014

    Riverstone Development LLC—the developers behind what will soon become Madera County, California’s largest master-planned residential real estate project—has engaged InterCommunications® to drive all marketing efforts for its long-awaited Riverstone community.

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  • InterCom® Selected for Branding of $100-Million elevon in El Segundo

    October 13, 2014

    The developers behind El Segundo’s newest commercial real estate project took no chances when it came time to selecting a trusted marketing partner. They chose InterCommunications®, the Newport Beach-based global branding firm with more than 30 years of experience in putting new destinations of every type on the map.

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  • Delivering The Brand Promise - Hillwood Communities

    April 17, 2014

    More than a decade ago, Toni Alexander and InterCommunicationsInc®, a global branding, marketing and digital communications firm, began working with Hillwood, a Perot Company, on its flagship project AllianceTexas. Recognized as one of the most successful public-private partnerships in the nation, the 18,000-acre AllianceTexas development has generated more than $43 billion in economic impact, created more than 35,000 jobs and dramatically transformed its surrounding communities.

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  • InterCom® Wins Big at 2014 National Sales & Marketing Awards

    February 14, 2014

    InterCommunicationsInc®, a global branding, marketing and communications firm, has won 3 Gold Awards and 8 Silver Awards from The Nationals, an annual competition sponsored by the National Association of Homebuilders (NAHB) and presented by the National Sales and Marketing Council (NSMC). Winners were announced February 4th at Wynn Las Vegas during the International Builders Show.

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  • InterCom® Wins 11 Awards From NAHB’s The NationalsSM

    December 02, 2013

    InterCommunicationsInc®, a global branding, marketing and communications firm has won 11 Silver Awards from The NationalsSM, an annual competition sponsored by the National Association of Homebuilders (NAHB) and presented by the National Sales and Marketing Council (NSMC).

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  • InterCom’s New Location Inspires Creative Thinking That’s - “Out Of The Box”

    December 02, 2013

    InterCommunicationsInc®, a global branding, marketing and communications firm based in Newport Beach has relocated its creative studio and corporate offices to an inspiring new space at 1375 Dove Street, suite 200, Newport Beach, CA.

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  • Authentic Brands Endure - InterCom® Celebrates 30 Years of Imaging Places

    December 02, 2013

    InterCommunicationsInc® has taken its branding expertise, grown, endured and expanded its reach during the past three decades from Southern California to work on seven continents.

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  • InterCom® Launches Potomac Shores - Suncal’s Prestigious New Destination In Northern Virginia

    August 15, 2013

    As master developer SunCal begins the landmark launch of the Potomac Shores master-planned community in coastal Northern Virginia, InterCommunicationsInc® continues its partnership with the developer to both establish and advance the brand for this historic new destination just 30 miles south of Washington, D.C.

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  • InterCom® Creates Lifestyle Brands For Five New Home Communities In California And Colorado

    August 07, 2013

    What does a master-planned Colorado community with wide-open landscapes have in common with an urban enclave in stylish Pasadena and three new home developments in California’s Central Valley?

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  • InterCom® Wins Three Golds At 2012 Nationals Awards

    February 01, 2013

    InterCommunicationsInc®, a global branding, marketing and communications firm, won three 2012 Gold Awards at The Nationals, an annual competition sponsored by the National Association of Home Builders (NAHB) and presented by the National Sales and Marketing Council.

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  • InterCom® expands its client base to Russia, Curacao and Sardinia

    April 04, 2011

    The first quarter of 2011 has delivered three new accounts to Newport-Beach, California-based InterCommunicationsInc, expanding its global presence.

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  • InterCom® Wins Gold At Nationals Awards

    January 17, 2011

    InterCommunicationsInc®, a global branding, marketing and communications firm, won a 2011 Gold Award at The Nationals, an annual competition sponsored by the National Association of Home Builders (NAHB) and presented by the National Sales and Marketing Council

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  • Founders Program Is Centerpiece To New South Korea Golf Community

    May 01, 2010

    When Hansol Development Company announced its final neighborhood within Oak Valley - the Reserve at Oak Valley - would feature the Pacific Rim’s first Tom Fazio designed golf course there was a great deal of anticipation from South Korea’s golf enthusiasts.

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  • Montana Lakefront Resort Community Publishes Second Magazine

    April 01, 2010

    The Kootenai, a private residential enclave on Montana’s Swan Lake that has been an exclusive recreational retreat for over 100 years, has just published its second edition of its private label magazine - The Kootenai Experience.

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  • Branding ULI Foundation Key to Future Fundraising

    February 01, 2010

    To help foster a culture of philanthropy among its 30,000 members the Urban Land Institute (ULI) has launched a branding program for its Foundation.

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  • EDSA Creates A Digital Dialogue Around EDSA-isms

    January 01, 2010

    Ft. Lauderdale based planning, landscape architecture and urban design leader EDSA has combined technology and creativity in a nine-month e-campaign directed to clients, prospects and industry partners.

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  • InterCom® Wins Gold And Silver At 2013 Nationals Awards

    February 01, 2013

    InterCommunicationsInc®, a global branding, marketing and communications firm based in Newport Beach, Calif., won two Gold and two Silver Awards at the Nationals, an annual competition sponsored by the National Association of Home Builders (NAHB) and presented by the National Sales and Marketing Council.

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  • InterCom® Named Official Honoree of 2009 Webby Awards

    April 16, 2009

    InterCommunicationsInc®, a global marketing communications firm based in Newport Beach, has been recognized by The 13th Annual Webby Awards as an Official Honoree in the Real Estate category for the Marina Papagayo, Costa Rica website.

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